Friday, May 12, 2006

Not Surprising.

I saw this over at the Sharper Iron. (Brian McLaren on The Da Vinci Code)
Apparently the “Da Vinci Code” seems to resonate well with Brian McLaren. This isn’t surprising.


Doug E. said...

Wow! That's disheartening.

McLaren seems to be going further and further from orthodox Christianity.


Rob said...

Many Christians are also reading this book and it's rocking their
preconceived notions - or lack of preconceived notions - about Christ's life
and the early years of the church. So many people don't know how we got
the canon, for example. Should this book be a clarion call to the church to
say, "Hey, we need to have a body of believers who are much more literate
in church history." Is that something the church needs to be thinking about
more strategically?

McLaren: Yes! You're exactly right. One of the problems is that the average
Christian in the average church who listens to the average Christian broadcasting
has such an oversimplified understanding of both the Bible and of church history
- it would be deeply disturbing for them to really learn about church history. I think
the disturbing would do them good. But a lot of times education is disturbing for
people. And so if The Da Vinci Code causes people to ask questions and
Christians have to dig deeper, that's a great thing, a great opportunity for growth.
And it does show a weakness in the church giving either no understanding of
church history or a very stilted, one-sided, sugarcoated version.
On the other hand, it's important for me to say I don't think anyone can learn
good church history from Brown. There's been a lot of debunking of what he calls
facts. But again, the guy's writing fiction so nobody should be surprised about
that. The sad thing is there's an awful lot of us who claim to be telling objective
truth and we actually have our own propaganda and our own versions of history
as well.

What do you disagree with?

SolaMeanie said...


I think McLaren should check out Jollyblogger's parody, "The Norman Rockwell Codes."

It's truly a scream. Then he could call for a moratorium on discussing it until the church can make up its mind on what it thinks about the subject. :)

SolaMeanie said...

Um, Rob..

Would your encouragement for people to dig deeper to know what they believe and why include digging deeper into McLaren's theology?

This is why McLaren has been weighed in the balance and found wanting. People have taken the trouble to dig into what he writes, says and believes. And please don't tell me that people don't understand him. I have heard that ad nauseum. He can't write that he enjoys being cryptic and unclear, and then squeal like a stuck pig when people question him closely on what he believes.

Rob said...


I hope you know me better then that. I have no problem with thinking. My problem is, present company excepted, I have yet to encounter many 'thinking' Christians. I hear a lot about, "Well I'm not going to read that because I don't have to, to make up my mind."

IE. All the ladies of Eno. That kind of anti-intellectualism is a real problem for me. Think about it, be rational, study scripture, understand Church history (or at least care about church history).

Sola, I think we get along well because we both agree that we need to THINK about things BEFORE we say them. I think that's what Brian is saying here.


AuthenticTruth said...


I checked out the video. Pretty funny. Yeah, McLaren would probably need to think about it for at least 5-10 years. It is amazing how McLaren cannot rely on the clarity of Scripture to draw conclusions, especially on subjects such as homosexuality.

AuthenticTruth said...

I have read enough of Bran McLaren’s material to come to the conclusion that he does not simply want people to “THINK about things BEFORE we say them.” McLaren in typical postmodern fashion is getting people to doubt the notion of absolute truth. As far as I am concerned, he is really not interested in people being grounded in biblical truth. Brian’s statements counter the plain teaching of Scripture interpreted in its normal grammatical-historical context. Rather than inspire confidence in the inerrancy of Scripture, he is undermining its authority. Without confidence in an inerrant Bible, how can we judge the truthfulness of any statement made by any so-called leader following the example of the first century Bereans in Acts 17:11? Are we just to trust someone who appears to be “inspired”? Do we just accept the claims of someone who says that they are led by the Holy Spirit? Isn’t this what goes on in the Word-Faith movement where various leaders make outlandish claims under the banner of “thus saith the Lord”? Rather, Scripture teaches us to “test the spirits to see whether they are from God,” (1 John 4:1-3) something that is practically impossible if we do not have an objective standard by which to do so!

Rob said...


You've bought into modernism. I'm sure you've read McLaren and it made no sense. I'm not surprised. It's the same in reverse. I read what you folks write and don't understand a word, except to know I don't like it. Then I move on.


John Haller said...


What are you, McLaren's apologist? They're (we're) not modern, just biblical.

I am continually amazed by you and some others who claim that McLaren is misunderstood, yet you will look at the scriptures, the Word of God, as being unclear. If we are to understand McLaren (and we do), then maybe you should try to understand what God has said? That's a two-way street you live on.

anoninva said...

Rob, if you read it and don't understand it or like it, then you move on right? Well go ahead and move on.